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web4u
28-11-2003, 01:01
khi viết bài này không phải tôi tự cho là mình đã nói giỏi tiếng Anh, nhưng tôi đã từng là đứa nói tiếng Anh hay đến nổi " no one can understand " thật sự nhiếu bạn nghĩ rằng trong thời gian ngồi trên ghế thì chỉ cần lo học : grammar là đủ hay học thêm vocabulary thì có lẽ bạn đã mắc 1 sai lầm lớn :
1/ càng học lên cao bạn sẽ khó có thì giở để học Tiếng Anh và luyện tiếng Anh (tA); nhất là các bạn lớp 12 và sinh viên, và bạn không có kế họach chu đáo sẽ rất khó hoàn thiện tiếng Anh của mình trong tương lai !!
2/ tiếng Anh phải thực hành nhiều đặc biệt là nghe và nói nên nếu bạn bỏ 3 tháng hay nhiều hơn để học thật chăm chỉ thì chỉ sau cỡ 2tuần hoặc 1 tháng thì dám cá là trình độ của bạn sẽ xuống rất nhiều ( không phải là mất căn bản )
3/ nhưng đó chỉ là kế họach thôi nhưng thực hiện thì, thành thật mà nói sinh viên chúng ta rất ngại giao tiếp ( đa số chứ không phải bạn nào cũng vậy ), rất ít trao dồi khả năng nghe và nói. Bạn có biết rằng nếu nói tôt, chuẩn thì khi nghe bạn đã vựơt được có thể nói là 50% rồi nên mình nghĩ để có thể tự tin khi nói tiếng Anh là bạn hãy cố nói thật nhiều bất cứ ở đâu, vừa tăng khả năng nói mà còn giúp bạn nhớ từ vựng rất hiệu quả !!
4/ nói nhỏ với bạn, các trung tâm dạy AVăn cả nổi tiếng và không nổi tiếng , nói cho cùng là mục đích king doanh thôi, giáo viên nước ngoài chạy sô cũng không phải vừa đâu nhé, thật tế mà nói thì cũng không hiệu quả cho lắm bạn ah !! không phải đóng cả mấy triệu vào thì là OK đâu !! mà là ở bạn, hãy mua sách, CD tự học cũng có thể học giỏi chứ !!
Chính vì lẽ đó mà ngay từ bây giờ bạn hãy đầu tư vào nói và nghe tiếng anh nhé !! Thật sự đó chỉ là bước khởi đấu thôi, chứ để thành cao thủ thì bạn còn phải học rất nhiều như viết eassy, reading,using slang, idom,..... rất nhiều bạn ạ !!
Nhưng lđó là chìa khóa để bạn có thể học giỏi hơn môn này !!
chúc các bạn thành công !!
you can contact to me by my Y!M nick : tom200208879 !!
have a nice day !! and let begin at the beginning !!

sam_25561
29-11-2003, 08:08
this room for english and english only.

cuteboy_vn
30-11-2003, 14:29
2/ tiếng Anh phải thực hành nhiều đặc biệt là nghe và nói nên nếu bạn bỏ 3 tháng hay nhiều hơn để học thật chăm chỉ thì chỉ sau cỡ 2tuần hoặc 1 tháng thì dám cá là trình độ của bạn sẽ xuống rất nhiều ( không phải là mất căn bản )
!!

-> I have been studying very hard for 4 months and have not communicated a lot, but my speaking and listening skills are not gone ???

catkin
20-02-2004, 06:42
-> I have been studying very hard for 4 months and have not communicated a lot, but my speaking and listening skills are not gone ???
You can 't apply your case in this stituation,because you live in foreign country ,so you have a chance to practice English and speak English with your friends everyday. In VIetNam, student don 't have much opportunities to speak English

Tuhuban
02-03-2004, 06:22
'cuteboy'.. keke, what a weird0 name!

littlestar_80
22-03-2004, 05:55
hihi, who has interest in english speaking should try the "Amercant Accent Training" book 'cos it worth for everyone to buy and to learn !
good luck to all of you.

friday
22-03-2004, 06:30
You'd better join in English clubs. Next Sunday evening, BKEC (Bach Khoa English Club) are going to have a meeting with the topic about the first day of April.
At 19h30, Student Hall B6 (Nhà văn hóa sinh viên - KTX B6).
Everyone is welcomed!!!

littlestar_80
24-03-2004, 03:27
hi there !
i used to be a student at BK (the polytechnique university), and i used to go to English speaking club there but i found that the club wasnt celebrated in a good way !
i hope s.o will bring something new to BKEC.

cuteboy_vn
26-03-2004, 10:31
'cuteboy'.. keke, what a weird0 name!

what's so weird about it???? :whistling :whistling

phaminhang
28-03-2004, 00:44
yeah, the best way is to practice with native speakers, but we dont really have chances, right. :D

I strongly recommend you not to study in any english centre in VN. They suck! (usually) :P
U should try to travel to pratice if u have money, or join some english camp programs. They're pretty helpful though. Gud luck! ;)

alann
09-04-2004, 18:05
To express a phrase or an idea, most VN people think in Vietnamese context and speak it out in English. They think it's right English. Well, not exactly it is. It's hard for VN people because we have differences in culture and thinking.

For instance, "U should try to travel to pratice if u have money, or join some english camp programs..." (tôi hiểu bạn muốn nói là: "bạn nên thử đi du lịch để thực tập nếu có tiền, hoặc tham gia chương trình trại học tiếng Anh nào đó ..."). You can write shortly like:
You should pursue studying abroad if you can affort it, or join some study group.

Have Fun Learning ...

ngoctu
18-04-2004, 02:45
I cant not speak E ,too well
I cant not learn gammar well
But I want to know togethers
Hope you will help me ,thank you

dongthao
22-04-2004, 20:26
To ngoctu:
I know, just in your message. There are many faults in it.You must study alot more. OK?

quỷ kiếm
22-04-2004, 23:02
i too lazy, hate E, like play game and watch swashbuckling film. But i'm a programer so I much read E documents. well!! who help me??

gate2vn
23-04-2004, 14:30
i too lazy, hate E, like play game and watch swashbuckling film. But i'm a programer so I much read E documents. well!! who help me??

so, you are in the wrong topic. this topic subject is about speaking, not reading :D

anyway, in your case, there is only one way for you: reading reading and reading. However, dont try to use dictionary with every new words. Try to understand in the whole sentence :)

quỷ kiếm
23-04-2004, 19:34
oh !! yes!! thank for your advice!! so far i alway use distionary with all word which i don't understand.

conan119
03-05-2004, 19:34
Hi there! quykiem ......I want to ask u something is it okie ? I like your signature so much i am trying to find some program about that Can u show me how to make it ....thanks first <:-*>

BaylentheSky
04-05-2004, 11:30
The best way to learn English is to first have a firm grip on grammar, then a wide vocabulary.
After that all things come naturally, to make out what is said in English isn't really hard, the difficult part is pronouncing it correctly, but normally you can pronounce adequately 90% of the time, difficult words will be tough to pronounce but at least the native speakers will understand what you mean.
Some difficult words: Further, think, world, beach (very easily mispronounced for bitch), sheet (very easily mispronounced for "****"), kids (very easily mispronounced for kiss), ... so on.

quỷ kiếm
04-05-2004, 13:48
Hi there! quykiem ......I want to ask u something is it okie ? I like your signature so much i am trying to find some program about that Can u show me how to make it ....thanks first <:-*>
I draw it by photoshop, and use thuphap font (.tmc-ongdo).
You can download it here.

ninasusu
04-05-2004, 16:36
Hi quy kiem !

To speak English well you must pracrise speaking it with myself, friends and foreigners ever day (within 30 minutes). You shuoldn't be shy and afraid. Althouht you can speak it the wrong grammar. this doesnt matter. you feel believe on communication.

nghean37
04-05-2004, 16:41
Hey everybody, i want to make friend with...,
who is speak english well, please show me about learn english, my english very very poor.

dentai
05-05-2004, 00:41
I agree with Tom...'s opinion. I used to speak English very well in high school. when i learned in university, i had just study English in vocabulary, reading for my major. Now i graduated, but now i need a good English much to apply for scholarship. Everything now is very difficult for me because i want to improve my English as fast as possible. So should everyone learn english in reading, listening, speaking and grammar at the same time!!!!

conan119
05-05-2004, 04:51
quykiem Anyway thanks you so much Hopefully all of us in this topic will be a family to speak E and improve any language we have known ........

kalicyanua
05-05-2004, 13:00
However, dont try to use dictionary with every new words. Try to understand in the whole sentence :)

Not really , reading is a difficult skill . To read well , you need to have reading skills . Skim for the key words or phrases is the first thing u have to know . Can you find what a 2000 word document is about if you just read word by word ? It might takes u hours to do :)

cysquan
09-05-2004, 07:44
yup... kalicyanua is right ! Skim is a better way to read whole document if you dont have time, but if you have time ! take your time, and try to improve your English by reading and understanding whole sentence !

conan119
09-05-2004, 10:42
Reading or understanding whole sentence is a problem ...but how to improve your E in speak and talk are different now i really understand what another people are talking bout but when i reply my pronunciation is not very good although i have read a lot of book and my vocabulary is very plenty plz tell me how to speak better ............

kalicyanua
09-05-2004, 10:55
speak speak and speak , that's the only way that you can improve your speaking . Your pronunciation has nothing to do with reading , that's the way you speak .

hoaianit
30-06-2004, 22:54
hi!everybody.
I'm very happy to make friend with all u.
We wanna improve our speaking skill,but when we join forum and talk together by post topic,but i think it's like writting.
I have an idea,if we wanna speak E well,why don't we found a E club,and meet together every weekend.
all u agree with me?

letdoit
08-07-2004, 17:00
This is my story:
I'm not a good English speaker and I write E badly also, 'cause my vocabulary is such a ****, I actually don't like English so much . I currently lived in a country which English is used as mother language. As a matter of fact, I have a good chance to learn English "step by step into my blood". It really means I've been studying English in passive. I figured out this way is the best serve for me. Why? I studied hard in English in the past by facing with many kind of training books (vocabulary, reading, hearing...) in a small room, non-sense of the world outside. See what I got! Nothing! I couldn't speak English better even at least let them understand what I was talking about. My feeling is boring anyway. I was sometimes like a man in the middle of the night. Until I got a job which they don't pay so much, I truly force myself to study English in inactive:

+Speak English without any sense, immediately, no thinking vietnamese context, culture.
+Spend time to understand E context. For example, I'm going to get my paycheck this afternoon, "tat nhien minh se? ho?i làm sao để tao nhận được tiền lương của tao". My friend were unable to understand me when I asked them "how can I pick up my salary?". Thanks, god! She got it after 15 mins I made her confused :D! She showed me to say a correctly way after that: "how can I pick up my check?"!!!!!! :D. Or "vì giấy trắng A4 của mình hết rồi mình định đi lấy nhưng thấy tren ba`n nó co' mi`nh mới nói"-->"Can I borrow you?" He said "no" but he gave me it. Then, he explained me "you are supposed to say "Can I have one? because it belongs to company, not me anyway. When you said "Can I borrow you", you have to give back it or another one to me after all". He is such a good friend. I bought him a coke right away.Both of them are common context but not all the books covered them!
+Hear carefully what they say and practice. I often pronounced 95% incorrectly as first time. So, my friend sometimes joked at me with words "you are such a great inventor! Our boss will promote you soon". For example, "paper clips", I pronounced "bay bờ k li'p". In fact, I have to pronounce "bay bo*` kli.ps"...

To sum up, English probably is easy for somebody but it's really tough for me even my english is getting better in days. If you really loved E, you have to find to your ways to adopt it. In my experience, the more you speak E, the more you improve yours and don't be shy. "We are learning after each time we are falling out"

soi soi soi
11-07-2004, 23:12
to: letdoit
I think your story take from books.
it's too bad with someone bring the story of books.
Always give up the old things and recieve the new things come.
thanks

daem0n
12-07-2004, 14:31
to: letdoit
I think your story take from books.
it's too bad with someone bring the story of books.
Always give up the old things and recieve the new things come.
thanks
soi soi soi, I think most of the stories here is from books, because we aren't writer. You don't need to comment like this. If you can think of a brand new story, write it here. :glare:

soi soi soi
12-07-2004, 23:48
hi
to daemon:
The first thing i want to talk to you how do you think when you take some story from books?and convenient of it.But the most important,i didn't talk to you.This is just my stanpoint, when someone took the story from books and post them to here.
That's not reason of improve english.

daem0n
13-07-2004, 03:44
Reading English help you a lot, regardless of reading from someone's book or from your own book, so you don't need to know who is the writer of this book to improve your English. You think reading our articles is better than professional articles, hehehe?

soi soi soi
19-07-2004, 00:36
yeah,,,to:cathy79ko
,i think so,i agree with answer for you,When the people live in the vn,they do want speak more and talk to american too,therefore the people speak not well(that mean people speak wrong about something with the condition not accept for the people speak not really accurate.Although,the practice is good of them.That's convenient for them.

kasa24
08-08-2004, 05:33
i am looking for some friend.who like speaking english.So we can practice together .we can go to the pub and chat.

fox2704
08-08-2004, 05:50
What's up??? Nothing much... just curious!!! I dunno what u r saying! Well, I'm just curious about this topic... and I know the reason why somebody cannot speak English so well due to he or she 's afraid of thinking: "Oh my GoD, if I speak broken English, others will laught at my face!!!" ... Forget it... Now... Talk and talk ... anywhere, anytime, with anybody about whatever... You donot need to be afraid of that you can make a mistake of English Grammar (I always do!), but after all, you have to know what your mistake is to not repeat this mistake again and again...

That's all of my opinion.

horohoro1988
10-08-2004, 04:42
Gosh u guys, like me ... can't speak E well when i was in VN. After i live in USA 3 years, my E is improved alot. Reading is the most important part for studying new language. The more u read, the better u get in E.

okay, let me ask u guys. Just buy a Cd like ... The Matrix Revolution (i like Matrix movie lol) But they must talk in English, not Vietnamese or English Caption. watch it, and see how much u understand from movie.

Noreason
10-08-2004, 15:53
Oh yeah....Horohoro Ur rite....how many percent will u get from a movie...that is very important to compare ur E...how can u talk to everybody to let them understant wat u mean...Viet nam students like us cant speak E very well but We cant speak E coz we are shy...i know that our grammar are very good....I think It is not so far from here to future vietnamese will speak E very good...coz At the moment all of us know how important E is....let's us discuss bout E more......

soi soi soi
10-08-2004, 19:28
ac ac,
to gi` do' hi?
just reading and to improve vocabulary that're first things if want to speak well or lose everything
hi hi hi hi
biet vay thui, ai muon chat voi mi`nh thi` do tay len
lequochung12345@yahoo.com
mong cac' ban cu`ng hop tac'.
mi`nh dang o my nhe', moi co' 1 nam thui,
speak not well.

anhtuancool
10-08-2004, 20:25
hic hic I've just wonder what are you guys talking about in here???

horohoro1988
11-08-2004, 15:00
talking about làm sao Vietnamese nói tiiếng anh hay đó me., vào không đọc phăng một câu hết sức stupid

anhtuancool
11-08-2004, 19:34
I didn't say anything about you man, what the hell is your problem .\ /.

anhtuancool
11-08-2004, 19:43
You guys know what, Vietnamese guys can't talk in English fluently and interested cause the first thing - English is not their mother language, second thing - They do not speak it as their major communication language (here we are in Vietnam so) infer vocabulary and grammars are easy to get lost, third thing - even they talk in English, somehow the people that they are talking to does not have enough knownledge to reply them, fourth thing - their teachers in school strictly do not allow them to talk, kind of Vietnamese abuse, fifth thing - English how ever is a hard language if we don't use it frequently, like me, radio and TV in English might help alot. Have a nice day. ^__^

Noreason
12-08-2004, 01:46
Yeah...Ur rite AnhTuancool....I like watching and listening E on Tv and radio...Radio is okie but there is no currucumlum or news on Tv or something like that......hichic <:(> I have no environment to speak and listen...<:((> School is only one i can improve My E..but not so much Can u show me some way to improve E faster..

anhtuancool
12-08-2004, 02:32
Well, when I first came to US, English seems so hard. I do have English classes in Vietnam, even alot, but in here, I couldn't talk, I couldn't write right well like the other kids...hic hic, but when I came back from a activity picnic( a Lửa Trại at my church)...like 7 days ago, I spoke English all the times cause no Vietnamese there could talk Vietnamese :D, and now, English is better for me in a good way, I hope that would help me because next Monday is already my first day of school. :D

I have a CD-player with radio function connected to my computer and I can listen to the radio while using a computer. The next one is reading. Reading brings to lots of new words and grammars, ebook is one of them, but I still can't get the whole main point of a book cause it's like...doesn't have much sense to me. Maybe, my vocabulary is bad...:( I will get over somehow :D. Watching TV: some kind of Everyday Conversation may help alot, like One Tree Hill, Everwood, 7th Heaven...Most important things is talking, you may find somefriend that would help you with this, but talk as normal then you just equal to those kids in school. They talk, you hear it, you know it is great, but it just very easy, you want to be greater - Do reading. :D Have a nice day ^__<

web4u
13-08-2004, 01:51
hi các bạn !! qua sự đóng góp ý kiến của các bạn, mình nghĩ rằng việc luyện nghe và nói tiếng Anh hiện đang là mối quan tâm chung của chúng ta !!
bản thân tôi cũng rất muốn hop mặt các bạn để tìm chỗ nào thuận tiện để thực hành tiếng Anh mà thuận tiện cho tât cả chúng ta !! mình nghĩ khi tham gia vào ĐTH này thì đa số các bạn là người nghiêm túc cũng như có học thức, thế thì mong các bạn hãy mạnh dạn đề ra ý kiến để chúng ta có thể thành lập 1 nhóm sinh hoạt !! Xin cám ơn !!

vì chưa có giải pháp, mình xin mách các bạn 1 cách học Anh Văn đây, do mình, nhưng mình nghĩ chỉ có bạn nào gan mới làm thôi !! Đó là hiện nay khách du lịch quốc tế đến VN rất nhiều, các bạn có thể gặp họ rất nhiều, nhưng các bạn biết không họ rất lúng túng tại TP chúng ta, mình nghĩ các ban có thể bắt chuyện và giúp đỡ họ. Bản thân mình đã làm quen được 1 nhóm người Nhật, họ rất dễ thương và tiết kiệm,họ nói tiếng Anh hay lắm, mình còn học được mấy câu chào tiếng Nhật nữa ( SOYONARA: say goodbye, OHAYDO GO ZAMAS: good morning ) thú vị lắm các bạn ah !!
hãy tự tin và giao tiếp
good luck !!

anhtuancool
13-08-2004, 01:58
If you ever talk to them, what subject would you use :D, not just saying Hello or Hi chứ :D

horohoro1988
13-08-2004, 05:01
Listen to radio ... watch movie ... THAT 's ALL. EZ?

soi soi soi
18-08-2004, 16:14
The first thing when you come to US that you have to learn more vocabulary and to improve essay.Shool always to claim essay ability and understand what are they saying...conversation that's of most important, not just at all right.
To effort about everything in your life althought it's really hard for you.

soi soi soi
18-08-2004, 16:15
hy vong la` co' mot ai do' co' the trao doi voi minh ve viec hoc.
lien lac qua email nhe'
lequochung12345@yahoo.com
minh thuc su rat can
cam' on

letdoit
23-08-2004, 19:41
Được gửi bởi soi soi soi
to: letdoit
I think your story take from books.
it's too bad with someone bring the story of books.
Always give up the old things and recieve the new things come.
thanks
Clean up your mind before judging anything soi soi. That's my writing. I'm not as stupid as many people who copies from others' valuable art to mirror their reputation! I didn't have a good opportunity to study basic E in my young age. I also agree that my english writing is also bad even worse than beginners who has been catching up english for 1 year.
Return to study english, most of vnese people affirm "it's hard for us who have ages, 30-40, to accept a new language than young ones, 18-25". You know why? In my experience, I think some of our midde-age vnese people feel to be shy as playing around in class where almost students are younger or refuse to go back to school. They have an effect on vnese traditional culture. If you stay in Vn, change your position, take a look... how many 50-60 men/women in your class? Another main reason, "we often choose friends who own not much of difference in age". For example, it's hard to find a group of friends, approximately 7-8 ladies and gentlemen, which has one 40 guy and the rest are 18-22! On the other hand, middle-age people often have their own familes, they don't have time to hand out around, make groups....so how much can english is improved? English in books is always a school-english. None of books will teach us a street-language. That's also meant to us "GOOD at SCHOOL might not guarantee GOOD at STREET and vice-versa"
-->Learn English now (if you choose it as second language), don't wait until it's so late

letdoit
23-08-2004, 19:44
họ rất dễ thương và tiết kiệm,họ nói tiếng Anh hay lắm
Bạn nói đúng, người Nhật nói AV hay lém.

burgboy1204
24-08-2004, 04:20
why ??? bởi vì không được sử dụng vốn tiếng Anh thường xuyên. Nếu có điều kiện sử dụng thường xuyên như nghe và nói thì rất tốt

horohoro1988
24-08-2004, 16:32
hay gì mấy ông ơi, tui có mầy thằng friends. they 're japanese and korean. they speak E hella funny.

english
28-08-2004, 22:32
agree with ya holo .....but it's just the way it is ....when i heard they speaking ENglish ..it reminds me of my English ability when i first came to America ...i blame on the ENglish teacher in Vietnam .....they dont knoe how to teach ENglish ...( in my opinion) ..they just notice at the grammar part ...the communication part ...they just flow ...and ..past by . Theory and practice are always paralle to each other ....

AoTrang92
11-09-2004, 05:38
what's the most effective way to learn how to read/write english proficiently ?
My english sucks!

Mikey
18-09-2004, 01:51
Do you know Skype? , go to www.skype.com and download it. It's a very good applications to chat by voice online. The quality of sound is excellent. Why don't we improve our speaking skills using Skype.

My ID is Thaith, and I warmly welcome you to come to talk with me

canthobuon
24-09-2004, 23:19
Ai muốn tài liệu học nói tiếng anh hay những bài conversation không? mình muốn upload lên đây 1 bài ngắn dạng pdf nhưng không biết làm cách nào để upload?

misatbt
26-09-2004, 00:05
ya can use your email if someone want them ya can forward to their e-mail?

Is it good idea?
Plz share these files so maybe ya can help everybody in here :)
:D

web4u
24-11-2004, 14:38
hi every body
lol
I'm so glad when you read my topic !! I realize that you don't have some thing to study English !!
Well !! what can I do ??
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